Yes. Be careful cyanosis is really related to CV. and could be skin.
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I agree. I have always seen clubbing as CV but I do know that it is listed under MS in many of the tools. I can see bruising as skin but not cyanosis but you may have something showing otherwise.
We had an auditor who stated just the documentation of "clubbing and cyanosis" is not enough to support the musculoskeletal exam of an organ system. I have always given this statement credit in the extremity section of the note. To meet the requirement for musc. organ system you would need to document about the muscle tone, gait, stability, joints, etc.
That is that auditors personal opinion but it is not supported by any official source.
CMS guidelines clearly list it as part of the musculoskeletal organ system. "Inspection and/or palpation of digits and nails (e.g., clubbing, cyanosis, inflammatory conditions, petechia, ischemia, infections, nodes)"
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It is truly amazing how E/M Guidelines are so subjective and open to interpretation. I wonder if the Cost portion of MIPS will be also when it comes to the risk area. Maxine
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As I posted earlier the 1997 guidelines sometimes list it in musculoskeletal and sometimes in extremities depending on the specialty exam. BUT it is not part of either for the musculoskeletal specialty exam.
If you are using the 1997 guidelines for general multi-system exam, clubbing & cyanosis do fall into the musculo-skeletal system box. Check the CMS Evaluation & Management Guidelines manual.
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But in other specialty exams it falls under extremity. To me it really is a wash unless you are going for a comprehensive exam where extremity would not count towards the 8 required under 1995 guidelines.
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Is Clubbing and Cyanosis enough to support the musculoskeletal exam of an organ system?
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I agree. I have always seen clubbing as CV but I do know that it is listed
under MS in many of the tools. I can see bruising as skin but not cyanosis
but you may have something showing otherwise.
But we had another auditor who disagreed.
CMS guidelines clearly list it as part of the musculoskeletal organ system. "Inspection and/or palpation of digits and nails (e.g., clubbing, cyanosis, inflammatory conditions, petechia, ischemia, infections, nodes)"
TT
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If you are using the 1997 guidelines for general multi-system exam, clubbing & cyanosis do fall into the musculo-skeletal system box. Check the CMS Evaluation & Management Guidelines manual.
Donna M. Beaulieu, C-CDI, CPMA, CPC-I, CRC, CPC, CEMC, CIMC, CEDC, CFPC, CCP-P, CRP
Certified Green Belt, Lean Six Sigma
Assistant Director, Patient Financial Services
Emory Healthcare
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But in other specialty exams it falls under extremity. To me it really is
a wash unless you are going for a comprehensive exam where extremity would
not count towards the 8 required under 1995 guidelines.
Ruby Woodward
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yes it is
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